I was a professor at the University of Bristol, and had been since I went to Bristol in 1978 as professor. I came here in '87. And I have a friend Francis Reynolds who was in the same year with me at Oxford who has taught all his life in Oxford who'd been coming to Singapore for some time. And he suggested to the then dean, Tan Sook Yee, that she might discuss the possibility of coming with me, which she did and I came.